is portman who not only started his political career, very few people know this, his first boss what steve solarses a liberal democrat. but then moved on to a protege of alan simpson of the simpson bowles commission. not just bej director but trade commission so he know it. close with ben carden of the house. sow knows bipartisanship but he is a loyalist and he is a real key player. >> warner: now the house democrats, norm i will begin with you but maybe combine it. do we see any mavericks here? javier was era, james clyburn and chris van holden. >> all key people in the leadership close cho-- chosen by pelosi because of their persons, van holden is the ranking democrat on the budget committee at the talks. clyburn also at the talks. becara almost became trade representative. smart shall savvy pros, leaders, they're to the going to diverge very much from what pelosi wants or what the caucus wants but they've all indicated a willingness to cut a deal. >> warner: becera was on simpson bowles also. and yes, these are all people-- . >> warner: so he voted no. >> he voted no, you about he was t